Ever wonder how the worlds leading innovators think, spend their time, and the projects they are working on? If you do, you're in luck! Mike J. Walker speaks to Ranveer Chandra , Managing Director Research for Industry at Microsoft. Listen in to hear advise and perspectives from Ranveer. He is truly a leader in the innovation industry.
About FarmBeats
Ranveer started the FarmBeats project at Microsoft in 2015, and has been leading it since then. He is also leading the battery research project, and the white space networking project at Microsoft Research. He was invited to the USDA to present his work on FarmBeats, and this work was featured by Bill Gates in GatesNotes, and was selected by Satya Nadella as one of 10 projects that inspired him in 2017. Ranveer has also been invited to the FCC to present his work on TV white spaces, and spectrum regulators from India, China, Brazil, Singapore and US (including the FCC chairman) have visited the Microsoft campus to see his deployment of the world’s first urban white space network. As part of his doctoral dissertation, Ranveer developed VirtualWiFi. The software has over a million downloads and is among the top 5 downloaded software released by Microsoft Research. It is shipping as a feature in Windows since 2009.
About Ranveer Chandra
Ranveer Chandra is the Chief Scientist of Microsoft Azure Global, where he is leading a team driving innovations across different industries on Azure.
Ranveer's research has shipped as part of multiple Microsoft products, including VirtualWiFi and low-power algorithms in Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 10, Energy Profiler in Visual Studio, and the Wireless Controller Protocol in XBOX One.
Ranveer started the FarmBeats project at Microsoft Research in 2015, and has been leading it since then. He is also leading the battery research project, and the white space networking project at Microsoft Research. He was invited to the USDA to present his work on FarmBeats, including to the Secretary, this work was featured by Bill Gates in GatesNotes, and was selected by Satya Nadella as one of 10 projects that inspired him in 2017. Ranveer has also been invited to the FCC to present his work on TV white spaces, and spectrum regulators from India, China, Brazil, Singapore and US (including the FCC chairman) have visited the Microsoft campus to see his deployment of the world’s first urban white space network. As part of his doctoral dissertation, Ranveer developed VirtualWiFi. The software has been downloaded more than 750,000 times and is among the top 5 downloaded software released by Microsoft Research. It is shipping as a feature in Windows since 2009.
Ranveer has published more than 85 papers, and filed over 100 patents, more than 80 of which have been granted. His research has been cited by the popular press, such as MIT Technology Review, The Economist, New York Times, WSJ, among others. He has won several awards, including best paper awards, and the MIT Technology Review's Top Innovators Under 35, TR35. Ranveer has an undergraduate degree from IIT Kharagpur, India and a PhD from Cornell University.
Everybody and welcome back to another episode of The Next. I am your host Mike Walker. And today we are going to talk to Ranveer Chandra. He is a partner with in Microsoft research. And so this episode were going to dive into the research cited things the more R&D aspects of innovation from one of the largest Innovation shops on the globe. And so rims hes going to talk to us about his journey. How did he get here? Why did he choose to jump into this particular field football? So were going to talk about some best practices and things to think about along that Journey. No link with all episodes all the show notes links will be provided on v-necks pod.com. Thats v-neck spot.com. Alright guys, lets get into it. ranveer welcome to the podcast Agreed to be here my high. Yeah, so, you know, this is something weve been wanting to do for a while because you are working on some really cool stuff over in Microsoft research. And you know for those that dont know maybe go to maybe get a little background about who you are and your wall with in Microsoft. This is my ECM computer science from Cornell. I joined Microsoft in 2005 in Microsoft computer science. I did with networking that was my background to the lot of work on one concept that I was working on the nose called to be bright spaces. That is 7 Mile Wi-Fi signal and putting them in empty TV channel. So this was one of the work I did back in 2005 the Lord with things I transferred a lot of my research in Windows and The Xbox One if using an Xbox One and I designed the wireless controller protocol and then in 2015. I started the Palm Beach research. This was like your culture. How do you do the question. Be asked was how do you feed the growing population of the word was one of the other pieces as part of that effort. I moved into the product side 2018 Global reset the product with the Land O Lakes with many other companies and in in Microsoft research from Asher and now Im eating the search for industry, which is bringing in my computer science research and researching other areas with off citizen in physics in Material Sciences in chem. CNN Agriculture and food across across Microsoft research baby, youre trying to Envision what the future where the data-driven future ADE Industries going to look like at Microsoft. Wow. Theres just a few things that youre doing, right, you know an inn and whats really interesting and whats fascinating me about your role ranveer is is that it goes across a very wide spectrum from gaming to networking Communications protocols to an industry vertical like Agriculture. And so I guess for someone like you how do you straddle, you know, these really are extended your topics. You know, how do you keep it all straight? Thats a good question my time because my training is in computer science and activate my PhD was a networking. This is one thing I really like is to join a lot in the past. But the other part is to partner with the right people that is you have to be willing to partner with the expert and as you know of it with the agricultural I had to I meant Farmers a lot. I did go volunteer on parms about your specialist. I didnt spend a lot of time going up in India close to pump. But thats not my speciality. Im a computer scientist, but then I would work with people who have you silenced all these techniques with artificial intelligence with networking with systems with Hardware. How can I improve the lives of a farmer humidity going to be working on supply chain? Talking to you. How can I bring my expertise in computer science and systems in the eye in machine learning to this new industry so that if someone is looking for a motivation or or just wants to be inspired yet possible to learn to just keep bleeding a lot and learning a lot and do get as much hands-on experience. But then the other part is you wont be the expert Partnerships is key. It is only so much that we can learn even outside of your own personal experience. I think this is something that you know innovators if you even if youre in a high-tech firm, if youre in a bank or if youre in an agriculture forever, wherever you may be that, you know, you dont know where that next Innovation is going to Happen and you have to keep an open mind and you have to be humble enough to know that you dont have all the answers, but the most important thing that what youre saying is is not about knowing the answer necessarily but its about how to find that answer and I think that is a unique skill set and its something where you have to be comfortable with that level of risk as well because it is so little scary sometimes going into the unknown and not knowing what you know, the outcome is going to be so it really is this entrepreneurial risk-taker type of mentality that you have to have executive that you might not know the answer honest about it and saw the other thing that carved in addition to the two things. I mentioned about learning in Partnership examples. Agriculture of it the Palm Beach. I think two people were very much one person was at USDA. Another person was is a professor at University of california-davis going off to his galavant. So thats another another thing that tells me this digital world that we are now living in it super critical that we start to thinking that way because most of the industry constructs that weve created over the past 50 60 years are starting to kind of blur together a bit, right? You know, youve got, you know companies like Starbucks that is you know, traditionally, you know a coffee company. However, there are the number one. Mobile payments provider in North America, so theyre also a bank, right? So, you know, you look at this new like well, you know being comfortable just it within one industry isnt going to take you where you necessarily necessarily need to be to get going back to the active culture exam today, but I was there I can come to this about farming production. I could cut chicken balls Finance because banks are giving the ones that involve supply chain because the farmers are shipping the mining laser. Or they could be the expertise would be beneficial to call Industries is around kind of your spectrum of experience. No, nother ass back that people are probably wondering and maybe have a false expectation of is well is whenever they hear about a a research department or an R&D department. They think oh, well, this is just, you know, a science experiment. This is you know, 10 20 30 years out, but thats not what Im hearing from you. Im hearing that you know in your role at least in your role in Microsoft research and I would suspect another rolls as well is its not solely focused on that. Long-range, experimental crystal ball and stuff but this is real stuff for here in the now to talk about that a little bit. If you think of it in to Horizon status and things that happened in tution. We know enough things to know that this could potentially work and then theres a longer-term work which is a bird lb bags of mulch much higher likelihood of media and divided we figured out what is the right way to do. It is more shorter than me. City of that is in house, but then the center of gravity of that. Hes at the University. This is example of Cornell University be then the center of gravity that we work with them. They apply for Grants technology so that theyre using some of the tools that theyre building such as being down there to take it back to universities. When did the Indus the best I can even though. Donkey says you find are some other bits that we are doing which is further than 5 years. Like if you look at the time but these are very strategic in terms of where we want to be sued meet my partner has on those initiatives as well when we have a significant amount of investment with in Microsoft Word in Microsoft research. Yeah that its a what Im hearing you say is that it isnt a cut-and-dry thing that this is you look at this more as like an innovation portfolio. Where are there going to be certain Investments a half in more near term for specific types of reasons and return and customer engagements and product Evolution. Excetera right where it is it is that it may be a moon shot it maybe you hate this might not pan out but we have to do this research that. We also keep a review and this is where we work together on defining what that future is for their beans. We have a vision of what we believe. Is that the street when you think of beard Like yourself like others who are experts in the space with customers as well. We talked to them and this is the future that is bendy come up with this is what we need to do in order to get to that vision of the future genius on the T-shirt organizations marketing includes academic some food, and we all need to work together. You cant be doing research and isolation and for someone thats curious cuz you know, I deal with lots of innovation teams, you know with our customers as an example. So, you know someone that might be in a Healthcare company that do on an innovation team, you know my type. This sounds really cool. You know, maybe we should you know do something. Youre very similar to what Microsoft doing about, you know looking at this is a portfolio not making bets just on one area that Continuum versus another of the continued because I can swing hard one way or another we we we see that often right? So I guess what would your day in the life look like, you know, what is an example that that look like for you and what you do cuz I need to be super fast name for people to hear. I used to be much more Hands-On, but in my day-to-day life is different from a leading the latest stuff happening in the industry reading list reports leading Leading The Sing-Off to date with multiple Industries. And whats happening. Whats 1? Customers thinking, where are they headed right now, where is so significant part of the day is also looking at research plate to second coming out being published in nature being sent to buy by fence in Academia and research NBC from these sessions with starter. Maybe get to know whats whats better. And we also need to map out. Where do we sit with in that ecosystem when we care about the future is what is our role in research. Where is it that what we do is differentiated. What is it that we can do that is significantly moving the needle for that industry. So lot of my time is thinking about that. And what is it that we need to be doing together when deciding to another team that can do it. The part that I can do it to it. Its not a thing that I want to be investing are tight Bond. We want to go off to something which has it been cheated that is risky, whisky enough that if it succeeds going to significantly move the needle for that particular industry is headed and the intersection of that because a lot of papers in nature papers in any of the academic journals talking about a research paper talk about how they came up with the next week 2 in cryptography how they came up with making the network faster. How do you improve the battery light components of what you would need to bring all of them together if you have to drive instruction for the industry you have a department. Cutest little computer signs you have a department programming languages someone doing security someone doing EI someone doing networking systems Hardware in when you think you have to bring all of them together and much more that is you have to bring the robotics guy the name cooking Guy The Simpsons guy to help with a security guy about what the future is for the industry. So this kind of mapping of the latest breakthroughs in research to redimedi Industries headed. Its something that we are looking to do as part of the research that industry so looking good. This is why people that you have to its not just research as a scientist thinking Blue Sky stop. Its about a lot of it is also. Blue Sky bulletin Academia with reading the street side because You know kind of the continue on the Innovation Continuum and you know, how you know risk-adverse or how much risk you want to take and now were talkin about specific industry in creating a strategy around that and bringing together subject matter experts to create that point of view or POV of the future and it would be good to to double click on that a little bit and you know get you know, specifically you know, how do you do that? How do you bring together? All these diverse people that have various different concerns and rightfully, so right some were thinking very very short summer thinking midterm a lot probably are not thinking long super long term other things like we got a ton of Legacy. Weve got poor standards. We got poor data and you know, when those environments its its hard to innovate. So for you when you go into these worlds and you know, maybe agriculture is a great example of this given, you know, the complexities there, but you know, how do you Bring people together to create those industry point-of-use for the next you know, 235 10 years will not be industry experts, right? So, howd it go and feed the point of view for the industry is something that that I think that you need to you need to work with people and listen to people who are passionate about changing that industry. This could be within the company. This could be outside. This could be someone in the startup. This could be someone in one of the other forms. We need to we need to be open and learn and align ourselves to a vision that either repeat or vision wear with Sperrys to be a combination of your Vision Plus division of someone else and if you combine them is what can help get you that and we are Microsoft we have hired a few subject matter experts. We have some experts what it could mean in some of the companies that we work with Betty close today at the Xbox is limited by what exists limited by this is a DWI. And so this is what we can do. I think thats where coming in and opening that mindset that I had to do with agriculture quite a lot of data and a lot of times I think that the challenges what could you do if you get that additional data stream happening in communication? Edge compute with the internet of things you could start getting large amounts of data that you did not get the part. For example, you could gain supplement whatever people are doing. Now with this new vision of large amounts of data, and then the key then is if you can start combining these different data Street noticed a lot of tiny people talk of data. Anyway, I talked about Artificial Intelligence on top of it. And you do Artificial Intelligence on top you could unlock scenarios that just ended this before but I suppose you have to build an accurate soil map of the question was what is the sewing moisture 6 inches below the soil throughout the park. How would you go about building sets? How to build an accurate map you would need a sensitive E10 and you just cant do it right space is a space communication and using a computer to get data from do loans affect lights. You could come by and hes using you to start interpolating gate sensors in the bar. You can start breathing but he acted so Id moisture soil nutrient soil PH last one to show you the girl or the other once you get all of this data, I can improve. I can deduce play cost because I would use less of my inputs less water than specified. I can also be most I can practice with sustainable agriculture and look at the warehouse if you start getting large amounts of data from the warehouse from any point in the warehouse. How to improve efficiencies you can climb better, you know, whats right, you know the freshness of everything getting things on time. You wont be going to be going to start getting additional data, but then again comes by talking to the expert like people who know the industry and then you bringing this computer science using you to work. These are some of the latest advances that are happening. This is what you can do with DNA in the future. This is what you can do with a quantum computer with the I and these are the problems that exist and then not even together to Envision the future of the industry. And whats your whats your onto and what youre describing which I think is is fascinating which is youre not saying youre trying to create the point of view for the future and what a specific industry will look. Like but rather trying to get enough information to be able to empathize with customers and their challenges that concerns the constraints but also provide another a vital element to the equation which is the inspiration. Its to light the fire in that industry and say hey look, you know, were not the experts weve got some ideas and you know, were going to experiment where you experiment and maybe well do stuff on our own and do you know incubate that for you to some degree? But really its about fostering these industries fostering Innovation within these industries to then you dont let them control their own destiny create the POV or their industry, but were going to do just enough so we dont want to damage to that were credible in that market and we can actually help them. But three we can actually provide some real material assistance in helping them of all their industry because we understand their industry of it better and for that particular case. You dont necessarily have to be the expert. Its we understand the guardrails. We understand what you can and cant do in the laws and all that great stuff. Thats completely wipe my tears in your phrasing exactly the way we talked it. Its all about learning enough of the industry for being able to talk with all the data with all the tools with the latest in technology how they can benefit from all these all of these technology disruption Center happening to Envision the future of that industry. We dont want them to be distracted day. We want our customers are Partners to be distracting and we werent so that they can destroy ya in a in speaking of that. I mean so, you know, what are some of the things that youre at least that you can share cuz I know theres obviously some sensitivity around some things but the sheriff Some examples of some of the things that youre working on where it kind of highlight some of these these characteristics white spaces. This was a this is imagine if your wife I can go 7 miles so I know you know, as soon as you took your house your Wi-Fi disappears and the weary did that was weak signal and put them in this is over the air TV the TV without using antennae, you know, when you browse through channels on certain channels you get a transmission on the other channels when you get to the White Noise, nothing coming their technology Hobart was a way to take a Wi-Fi signal and put them in the noisy TV channel with your TV reception in sending Wi-Fi signals the old school TV in every other channel is static. Okay, hes building 2 sequences. Keep way to use since then weve gone out connected high schools hospitals dispensaries in Swan to the internet using the industry. So you can use it to connect things in particular in cases at a remote. If you think Im thinking off of 95 accident that is away from the city because its the TV towers on in cities outside the city. The more capacity. 100 megabits per second of capacity that didnt exist before so that you couldnt get access to the park. So this is one of the things weve done which we havent talked about much but we will be writing a paper on it, please the new imagine that can go really long distances across multiple times book PDF ccvn submitted comments to them and the FCC. This was in October where these devices got this this operation in the TV rights speeches is no water rights by the FCC. How do you see through the clouds? USI Clayderman Steves Used food court menu Industries for energy for detailed Financial Services in the public sector. This is sounding you know a bit suspect that sounds like a James Bond movie to me so I can see whats happening be done by me. In it and we combined with another satellite that has these multispectral cameras in it and you can buy them using artificial intelligence a new a new thing came up with he and another person. Peter and reconstruct whats happening below the clouds with a high level of Accuracy Unlimited we do this for the farm that you could see when the father was eating eating when they planted all that stuff on a daily basis with the address for the Port of Seattle where you could see Ships coming and going even though this loss, was cloudy in Seattle. You could see the construction site coming up. So this is what data can do in the future. These are just two examples of these examples of technology the public ones that I could talk about and youre busy, but it can be use for industry building. Yeah. Yeah. I love the space. I example because one it just has a cool name, but it is leveraging all these Technologies in the coordination of all the Different data and I know its not a deepfake but you know, you could use that as an analogy that its like youre building a deepfake underneath the clouds your reconstruction youre using this is highly probable to be this way. And so maybe Im just oversimplifying things in my own brain right having a overactive imagination, but its super cool, you know, and in all the different applications you can use for the C note from your dimension farming it could be, you know construction, you know, we got Cities all around the world building stuff weather is not going to be perfect all the time. Hes so you could see how that could be used for things like that, but also modeling and so that is if you can start providing internet access to remove spiders to make Supply chains do if you think of retail from retail stores or warehouses digital divide that is not only here in the United States, but you know all around the world and what this provides is a provide a ubiquitous way of getting access internet at some things that You know as Microsoft, sometimes we can take it take for granted that you know, we have access and weve got a lot of it but there are a lot of communities a lot of minority communities that just dont have access to the same level services and for a fairly low cost for a city, you know, they could offer Municipal Wi-Fi, right? And you know, you couple that with you know, Smart City infrastructure, you know, youve got cities like Seattle and in San Francisco that have you not talked about, you know City Wi-Fi this and that but now we can actually talk about you. No Wi-fi, you know as a Services provided to the citizens as well. Right as it as a as a stretch as a human right to have and so I think a lot about solving that problem as well because I think its a very real problem. I think its a problem that we can uniquely solve with this type of technology and do a lot of lot of good, right. I think thats thats an area and you know early in my career. I remember dealing with a lot of these protocol standards and dealing with things like hills and line of sight and being able get signals and places in this solves a lot of those problems again simple things that we dont think about even within a density with a great Communications of a structure that this saws because the spectrum is so low that it can penetrate through everything right? And so thats whats really cool about it and you know, again the name of the address where she would have lost it with Kobe beef how important connectivity send this to be getting worse and how its its even more convinced that divided up getting people connected this kind of we need to make sure that theyre not just some privileged people were connected. On this is how close to TV and people and how do you get them to the internet is something that we keep thinking about going to courses TV rights, which is one text that is low-cost cellular that we looking at us. Another tech space is another work that were doing on right now. If we just recently published a paper on a new kind of ground station architecture low-cost constellations that can again make the space Communications easier, but thats again. I think we all need to work on this because if we could one of the things that that would benefit every industry is if more people come online more people can get benefit of the digital services that are big but it hasnt gone any further than some initial pilot that it had occurred. I mean this has been 15 years ago. This tack is nowhere near a bleeding edge just like with the second were talking about here. But this was providing connectivity over the power lines and so all the way back, you know, I was working and partnering with a electric utility company that was piloting this in a major city to be able to deliver this now at the time it just wasnt cost-effective, but that was at the time but it be all so interesting is if you could imagine all you have to do is when you plug in a device cuz every device needs power, so if you plug in a TV you plug in a toaster you plug in your computer you plug in, you know, whatever it is. Everything lights up. Its got an IP address if theyre on the network, right? And so I think at the end of the day just like with all Innovation. Its not just going to be one Technologies going to be a combination Technologies for particular situations that you know, we think will be beneficial number to Vision that youre painting hair because you know, you could you could also use this power line to connect everything to be more than just as you said in power you can also use we could all be why discharging your power line is there but you have enough coins and what inductive charging and discharging his last week in Texas and how well it is, but this is all about combining these different methods to exist. Doo doo doo on Steves to suction top and theyre going to affect all Industries heavy industry is going to be affected in a positive way. And you know, Im also excited about the idea of the notion of this has been tested in small-scale. And so well see if its realistic on a broader scale but actually over-the-air energy. Its not just, you know, a conductive coil but you know, actually transmitting electricity via Innovative whats happening in that space using the radio frequencies as a decimal based on YouTube using RF based methods of charging it up. How many wires do I need them and driven by the divisions in the EV charging someone could carry over everybody thats in other places and that could definitely be interesting future and hours and hours and hours about this stuff gets you know, obviously this is a pasionaria for both of us. I think it would be good to understand from you as well. As you know, being a practitioner an innovator youve done a lot of really great stuff. What are some things that have surprised you in your career that maybe wasnt expected as an outcome went whenever you it could be something current like the things that we have just talked about with Agriculture and space eye and in all that or it could be something, you know pulled from your past as well, but itd be good to come out. And that perspective of something that was like a complete kind of out of left field you like. Oh, wow. I cant believe that happened only sides to have been times when I have been skeptical of it and still be going off have been going after that. Then Ive had pleasant surprises when when youre doing that and thats what marketing safespace Ive been one of them, but I dont think he should lie. I believe that we would get the results that we did and now were getting even better be continued to push the boundaries effect of high be on technology. If I just looked at some of the happening in Lake food in the food space is something Im super impressed with super excited about when when I started working on Palm Beach. This was something which I hadnt expected would take off so quickly, but all the work. Happening with alternative protein plant-based proteins the workers happening with impossible foods and beyond meat and other companies that are driving this destruction. They technology-wise I knew it could be. I didnt expect that it would catch up so quickly and that is something that has been begging you to stop the same beat. What if I think the future is going to be even more and more that is for example, if they think of the future to food what we eat is going to be more like medicine. Its like its going to be a medicine you are going to eat whats right for you in your person like in everyones going to go there a lot of people be driven by the innovations that are happening in the biotech space in synthetic biology and I guess the reason I didnt expect it to take off so quick. He was also because of the aspect of it. The streets which led me to believe that they will be accurate regardless if it is good if it is something people want. Yeah, and I think thats an important lesson right? Because sometimes we get logged into the illusion that the future and it in innovation in the future is linear and it is not all it takes is one event to change things and you know this pandemic it showed us this right, you know, there was many organizations that were on a particular trajectory and now, you know given the pandemic now there is a whole new set of things that they need to innovate and theyve deprioritize those things that they thought was important. So like Im in keeping along the same lines as food. So if Im McDonalds or any other food industry now, its about touchless. How how can I create a heightened experience it in in in a sticky experience of my customers but also being in a touchless world and so youve got now McDonalds youve got a company at burger joint in California for forget their name. I apologize in advance. But you know where you go up to a kiosk its a big monitor is got facial recognition. So it knows who you are. You got the mobile app in your pocket that has all your preferences and all that great stop in. All you need to do is either use your smartphone to communicate with it or you talk to it and so completely touchless. I think theres even some gesture stop. Thats thats in it as well. But you know, thats something that wasnt expecting that was maybe something that people thought, you know pre pandemic that and I will put on the back burner is not as important and you know, not a consumer-driven thing but now very much so like a lot of the robotic Automation and you know back back office in a lot of these companies as well. You know, McDonalds is a great example of this is well where theyve got they can make a Big Mac fully automated and theyve got this in production in Japan right now right now. Its a bit more socially accepted there. Maybe say here in the US or in Europe excetera. And again, thats another important consideration, which is a government in which youre in and if you think about it and analyze it is the thing that Ive learned is its yeah, theres a cultural thing there but its really not a cultural thing. What it is is it is the government is actually in Sinton company to build Robotics and that is a huge dry for the robotics industry. And thats why you see companies like Honda and Toyota actually building Elderly Care robots along with cars because the government is helping subsidized at research Etc & Sew a lot of times. We dont take a step back and we dont look at the practicalities of him Innovation that its not as simple as an academic report or or a Gartner research report or whatever, right? Its its a little bit more complex than that, and weve got a kind of in some way. With the flow in other ways. We got to be really good at scenario planning and understanding the kind of what if scenarios is a while if we know which way to go. Let me know which way to go excetera. So thats what I took away from what you said. I am in my clothes shouldnt ignore something just because the policies and if we do the right thing with the customers wanted to meet and we make sure that its not going to cause harm the government might want to see house and Bass sheet music. Online. What what what is this conversation shows has how important our role is that is your options are driven by the use of the cloud with the use of Technology instructions to happen by the experts by the startups by these companies. Do you think of our role as technologist? Its humbling to some extent to think that the impact of the word that were doing as tools that we could enable a lot of the partners to be so much more successful. If you do the right thing in the right to means we could just drive so much impact by working with these in the street. Active and that is when I was like the picture I painted was how the work were doing in cloud in The Internet of Things in Elgin AI. How do I enable tools for all the people in the Arctic Ocean to 220 volt the future of that industry looks like like McDonalds or the one in Japan with robots, and thats something which just shows me that it can have a cross to print Industries. Oh, yeah, Kool-Aid and so to also I think another aspect here is you know, when youre going through this thought process, you know who are you know, some of your Innovation hero so, you know, when you think about inspiration for you know, when youre doing your job, you know, if there was an imaginary picture of someone, you know, Edison or you know jobs or whoever on your wall, you know, who do you see is, you know, either, you know, it could be a couple but you know, who is your kind of go to inspiration for Innovation? I think I I I look across at multiple people. Its not just one like some people like it. Ive been lucky to have spent time with Bill Gates. Hed like within the administration sessions being saw me with him or he blogged about Farm beets and Gates notes. I closer than they are presented to him. Ive been very impressed with his level of thinking big humidity with which she approaches things. We well that you dont want I might not be the expert but I learned really fast and thats something which I got it from him in some of the sessions I saw him. I really like the way hes thinking about thinking out of the box and thinking of the level of impact the ambition in with which he thinks that you know, what you can transform the world with the work that you do. I think thats something which I I I. Meyer the way he says he has his phone on his passion in that space and of course the scientists, I think people in our current generation to Chillingworth winners these inventions What it is supposed to be working on the right problem at the right time and just work on the phone so I can put it back in the boat. But the others is just learning from their experiences and also the fact that certain things from the time they were invented to the time they actually become really have any of the impressive science scientist that have been there in our generation before our generation has one of those guys that you know, Ive looked up to for a number of years even before I came to Microsoft back in you know, the way back in 2006 and I was lucky enough to be At the company when he was still here at the company, which was great as well. And you know, whats really impressed me about Bill G is is that he Its really the business of innovation. He gets that side of the house really really well. And so, you know, you could compare and theres the obvious comparisons that people make in the industry between jobs and Gates and I think its its not a good comparison because they were good at Innovation. Both of them are really great Innovation, but they were different facets different aspects of innovation that they were really good at. And so what I loved about Gates was he was tenacious he what he knew that he had understand the business side really well to make sure that not only did he paint a big picture of what the future look like, but hes able to land and actually drive that Innovation. And so especially in his second half when you know, I was able to work with him at intellectual Ventures and you know do the lab stuff with him and you know that the recycling of toilet water into drinkable water, you know, you know real renewable energy with a recycling nuclear power waste into power that we can Use again, you know, it was just fascinating to see kind of how his mind works and youre actually right. It was hey, I dont have all the answers but you know, this is a big problem us go and try to solve it. Thats where we go with this thing. And thats what I loved about Bill G and just hes also just just a great guy trying to do the right thing for the world, which you have to love seeing three business including science what needs to happen is needed and somehow I encourage more and more scientists to be thinking like that. Its not just about the signs and symptoms of what is a business impact. How many make it clear all the way down to stop at the invention, but take it to the next level. Go to work with when he was at Microsoft. Hes hes a much gentler gentleman these days but that aside so a lot here today. And then like I said, we could talk for hours about this stuff because youre a a a an enormous wealth of knowledge that I would love to just continue to feel way, but we wont theres only so much time in the day that we can extract from you. So I guess that kind of help cap. This off ranveer is what are a couple things that you want people to take away from this conversation, you know, what are some of the key nuggets that you want them to to really understand is takeaways. I think one of the thing to start, you know, when people think of technology is computer science and that includes all the buzzwords people get off her plate of The Internet of Things of quantum Computing the future. Its not just for computer scientists. Its not just for the tech industry, but every industry has Wendy will change with adopt and will it will look very different. Then you saw the line and a lot of that would be to technology would be because of the way technology enables used to know and thats what to take away. I think I want people to think in terms of how will technology its not just about your emails. Its not just about getting your getting your SharePoint up and running in your in your company. Its about how your business will get distracted or you will be the starting the business because of on the deck that we develop. Episode in Tysons, one of his check is going to be embedded into everything. We do every every cup of coffee that we drink when you have some dick behind it. Everything will have more and better than everything even things sitting ducks. The other one is for industry people that we travel industry u r n b a b at Healthcare beat the medicine farmer agriculture food eat a logistics Financial Services. Everything will have it look very different opinions of the line because of the way data Computer Science and Tech will get embedded into it. So this industry people consumers and poor academics and say that you need to start doing warranty disability work. We are starting to see a little bit of it that people need to start bringing all of these days. Chicken stew with people in the operations research computer scientist and bringing one of this together is what you just look at the state of research. Each of these are silos. You have an association of soil scientist Association of biologist Association of computer science electrical engineer. I need to bring all of this together and this thing to discipline a different state to resist. I will be driving industry changes and you can contribute to be part of this. Cure if youre okay with it, I ran to your wishes, you know, first and foremost. I think its the practicality the approach that Microsoft research is taking I think thats a really important message that whether or not you were Microsoft customer or not that you know, you should understand the role that Microsoft trying to play which is Microsoft trying to be an inspiration for the industry. Were trying to partner and a material way in your Innovation functions so that you know, there are going to be restrictions on your typical companies on how much they can invest in these Innovations, you know, not every company can afford or has the time or ability to go out and you know do projects like space. I as an example in so definitely figure out how you can partner with an organization like mixed up research in your industry because you know stand on the shoulders. And thats how progress gets done. It is not all invented in one place and one corner of the world. Its about cooperation and collaboration. I think thats one of the big messages that I got from you in fear is that youre not trying to be the end-all-be-all youre not trying to be the answer for everything but its how can we contribute to our customer success in The Innovation space? Thats what Im hearing is a resounding tone. Am I getting that right send a few hundred thousand researchers phds working in 55 different areas of computer science and doubly and these are all experts in that space and we are bringing all of them together and problems but time. Just think of what is the future of the industry that we can work together? I and I think thats a great place to leave at 4 today and I hope you enjoyed our conversation on ranveer and I hope I can count on you coming back to go deeper on some of these other areas cuz again, Im super interested in this James Bond space. I want to go deeper in that talk about Communications the future all super super cool stuff. So youre always welcome to come back and talk about those industry initiatives. Thanks for having me at my contact with you. All right. Wow, what a cool episode ranveer is always a great guest really great guy. And Im so glad we had the opportunity to have them on the show now. 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